The Submission Archive: April 2022


  • 600+ members

  • Importance of "proof" in this advanced age

  • Quranic preservation and its various means

  • Rising Hadith rejection - what does this mean for the future of Islam?

  • History of 9:128-129 - how they've been suspect since day one

  • On the "Test of Alliance" (9:16)

  • On the Night of Destiny (Laylat-ul Qadr)

  • Quranic Data - importance in furthering research

  • New QuranTalk Podcast episodes: The Kernal of Righteousness, Satan and Falsehood


21 April: The Submission Discord server reaches 600+ members & has hosted 19 Quran studies by the end of the month.



3 April: Below is a quote found in Beyond Probability that wonderfully illustrates the power of a mathematical-based proof:

For any subject to be a proven fact, be it a law of physics or the Ten Commandments from the Torah, proof needs to be given. Proof basically means that a statement is true beyond a shadow of a doubt. It is validation and certification. It is the seal of authority, the mathematical power, and the electric voltage that vitalizes the static assertion about any subject. Proof is thus a celebration of the power of pure reason.

Proof is a procedure by which a proposition about the unseen reality can be established with finality by a process of deduction and conclusion, and thus be made acceptable by all. Since a mathematical question will have only one definite answer, then different mathematicians, using different methods, working in different centuries and places will arrive at the same answer. Thus, a mathematical proof is unaffected by time or space.

Mathematics provides irrefutable proof about the subject under consideration. It forms the very structure of the world, containing truths that are valid forever. Mathematics forms an integral part of all sciences, for example, medicine, astronomy, physics, engineering, sociology and psychology. Mathematics is a science of the infinite. Its goal is the symbolic comprehension of the infinite with human, that is finite, means. It now elaborates a theology which declares the nature of God and the relationship of God and man. This is the age of science and reason. It is impossible for an intelligent person to accept the existence of God or the divine origin of any religion on blind faith.”

– Shakira Karipineni, MD.

The miracles of Moses, Jesus, Solomon, and so on are no longer appropriate. We have reached levels of advancement where such miracles can easily be dismissed today, and perhaps even replicated. It will take a lot more to ‘prove’ God to the average person today century as opposed to someone in the 6th century. Someone coming out today and parting the sea or manipulating any aspect of nature to “prove” God’s message would be laughed at by many. So what?! "We put a man on the moon!" "We have planes!" "We have robots!"... and so on you would probably hear today. Clearly, the standards of proof are high.

[2:106] When we abrogate any miracle, or cause it to be forgotten, we produce a better miracle, or at least an equal one. Do you not recognize the fact that GOD is Omnipotent?

Many critics are absolutely silenced when the basic facts of Code 19 are presented to them. It is beyond human conception to think that an ordinary, humble biochemist with no major business in religion ends up receiving the divine inspiration necessary to unveil a fully comprehensive code within the Quranic text that went completely unnoticed by all the great scholars of the past 14 centuries – even the most basic facts such as the number of letters in the opening statement being 19, or the chapters being a multiple of 19 [114 = 19x6] were unheard of. You would think someone could have made such very basic connections. Additionally, Code 19 was directly prophesized in the Quran (74:1-47). No reader of the Quran had any excuse to be ignorant of 19’s significance. How did nobody notice? Ironically, the very title of the chapter wherein Code 19 is deeply prophesized means something “hidden in plain sight” (المدثر) and it quite the case here!

“Today’s man needs something substantial. He needs an ultimate miracle. All the miracles that were supposed to have converted man over the ages were limited to a particular geographical location or a time period. By definition, an ultimate miracle would be something that is perpetual - not limited to a certain century or geographical location. It would be for all the people to see all the time. It would be something that is physical, touchable, examinable, verifiable, and irrefutable.”

– Bill Buck, The Creator’s Signature (1988 Documentary)

Code 19 turns out to be the answer. The miracle is:

  • universally accessible;

  • perpetually unveiling;

  • touchable;

  • examinable;

  • verifiable; and,

  • utterly irrefutable.



14 April: New article highlights the different mechanisms that preserve the Quran and provides a much clearer understanding of how exactly the Quran is preserved.

[15:9] Absolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it.

(٩) إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ

The misunderstanding individuals have from this verse is that they think it is physically impossible for anyone to tamper with the ink and paper of the Quran or the recitation of the Quran. This is not true. Today we can find variations in recitation, spellings, verse counts, and even words in different Quran manuscripts. Since God never fails in His promise this means that our understanding of how God preserves the Quran needs to be reassessed... continue reading.

qlabs: a couple of key points I would add on to this topic:

1. God promises to preserve the 'reminder' (dhikr) (15:9). The 'reminder' denotes the Quran's code in various verses (15:6, 21:2, 26:5, 38:1, 38:8, 74:31).

2. The Quran is preserved in a 'master tablet' (85:21-22). The true master tablet is only with God.

3. No falsehood can enter the Quran (41:42). One of the major functions of the Quran's mathematical miracle is to guard every letter and every aspect of the Quran. Thus, any tampering (falsehood) is immediately recognized.

4. The law of preservation, just like any other law, has no reason to explicitly exist if it is never actually violable. Theoretically nobody could ever tamper with the Quran, why would God then promise preservation? For example, a law stating "Mr. X cannot leave the room" has no reason to exist, if he never would or can leave the room. However if one day he does attempts to leave, and is then forced back in, the law is recognised and is witnessed in action. This is the case with the tampering of Sura 9.

5. Logically, there is no direct force stopping anyone from playing around or slightly distorting the word of God. We already know other scriptures such as the Bible and Torah have been tampered with over time. Modifications to the text (even if due to genuine scribal errors) are equally inevitable with the Quran. Being faced with this harsh reality, along with no immediate answers, Muslim academics are forced to compromise and narrow the extent of preservation to the more broader meanings within the verses. Another popular claim is that there are "7 equally valid readings" of the Quran revealed to the prophet all at once! These 'desperate' answers lead to a partial disowning of the text's integrity. Top Islamic scholars such as Dr. Yasir Qadhi have openly admitted preservation to be among the most controversial facets of traditional Islam, who noted that the "standard narrative has holes". (video)

6. For God's preservation to be true with the Quran - it must cater to this historical vulnerability. Now this does not mean bending the laws of physics to make printers explode if prints out errors. It has to be 'ahead' of human free will to distort the text. Today's digital age utilizes public key cryptography & encryption to validate and trust messages between senders and recipients. The Quran uses a similar system with the number 19 to ascertain the Quran's divine authorship and authenticate the very text itself. This can only be achieved by having an extremely harmonious, probability-defying interlinking between all observable and quantifiable parameters of the Quran, consistently pointing back to one defined common denominator - which in this case, is the number 19. (74:16-37)

7. The mysterious initials: along with all many other mechanisms that preserve the Quran, these mysterious initials (ranging from 1-5 letters, prefixing 29 chapters) are among the most exacting forms of preservation. They protect the deepest layer of the Quran; its very letters. A well-recognized example of this in action is with the "ص" (SS) initial, that allowed us to confirm the correct spelling for a word "bastatan", in verse 7:69 (ص vs س). Modern printings of the Quran acknowledge the discrepancy and include both letters as possible spellings. Of course, one of them clearly has to be wrong unless we are assuming there is more than one Quran. The Code thus allows us to pinpoint the most slightest of errors. See Appendix 1.


2 April: Woody shares a recent news - Saudi Arabia to dismiss majority of Hadith and recompile them to as few as in the hundreds due to their questionable authenticity and misuse.

Crown Prince: "You have tens of thousands of Hadith. And, you know, the massive majority, are not proven and are being used by many people as the way to justify doing what they are doing. For example, Al-Qaeda followers, ISIS followers, they are using Hadith which are very weak, not proven to be true Hadith, to propagate their ideology."

First, what is called mutawatir. So that means, several people heard it from the Prophet, a few people heard from those few people, a few people heard (it) from (those) few people. And that has been documented. Those are almost super strong, and we have to follow them. they are few in number around 100 Hadith.

The second category is what we call the individual Hadith. So, one person heard it from the Prophet and another person heard it from that person, all the way to the one who documented it. Or a few people heard it from the Prophet, a few people heard it from the Prophet, and one person heard it from those few people. So, if there is a one-person link in the lineage of the Hadith, we call it one-person hadith. So that one we call ahad. And you should study whether it is true, whether it goes with the teachings of the Qur’an, if it goes with the teachings of mutawatir, and if it goes with the interest of the people. And based on that, you use it or not.

"…So that's what we are trying to identify and publish, to educate the Muslim world about how do you use Hadith. And I believe that will make a huge difference. It needs time. We are in the final stages, I think we can put it out and maybe two years from today. It's just the documenting Hadith in the right way. Because people when they read different books, they do not have the mindset or the brain or the knowledge to look into the lineage of the Hadith and differentiate between them. We just put it simply: this is proven." (Saudi Gazzette)

qlabs: If this move takes effect, it would clearly send massive shockwaves to the Muslim world. But with the rise of Hadith rejection, so will the question - "what next?!". My personal prediction would be that an individualistic approach to the religion would become very common, as we have seen with the Quranist movement. Unity would become a rare commodity among different religious groups. The Submission movement would likely be one of the few remaining strongholds being backed by not only a physical miracle but a profoundly simple & unifying message of "God alone". As Rashad puts it:

Today's corrupted religions, including Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Islam, will simply die out, and "Submission" will prevail. This is not the wishful thinking of a human being or a collection of humans; this is God's inviolable law (3:19, 9:33, 41:53, 48:28, 61:9, 110:1).


20 April: Hundreds of proofs exposing two false verses over the past 40 years have accumulated and cover at least 5 different dimensions where they stick out: historical, linguistic, contextual, logical, and mathematical. The historical aspect generally is a good place to start as it immediately refutes the common dilemma: “how come nobody knew or at least suspect these verses?” The history we can access today in fact shows they were highly suspected.

Here are 8 simple facts:

FACT 1. Every verse of the Quran was verified by a multiplicity of witnesses, except for the last two verses of chapter 9. They were found only with Khuzeimah Ibn Thaabet Al-Ansaary.

More references: [1] [2] [3] Note: another verse, 33:23 is also claimed to have only one witness. This is false. They were testified to and recalled (the same report makes it clear). 9:128-129 is a completely unique case with only one individual's testimony documented. FACT 2. To justify this crime, they came up with a hadith stating that Khuzaima's testimony is worth 2 people! Ironically, the same hadith shows him bearing false testimony to an event. How could this end up earning him the power of two witnesses?

FACT 3. Sura 9 is a Medinan chapter. Strangely, tradtional Quranic printings label the last two verses as Meccan. Such a phenomenon does not exist with any other chapter.

FACT 4. Additionally, Sura 9 was revealed towards the very end of the prophet's life (2nd last revelation). This makes it impossible to suddenly have a Meccan verse, almost a decade after migration to Medina, mixed within a Medinan chapter. FACT 5. Even more, Khuzaima, the only witness, was an "Ansar" (full name: Khuzaima ibn Thabit Dhu’sh-Shahadatain al-Ansari / خزيمة بن ثابت ذو الشهادتين الأنصاري). He was a late Medinan-Muslim. How could a Medinan Muslim be having earlier Meccan verses? FACT 6. It is historically documented that that Ali ibn Abi Talib, the fourth Caliph (656 - 661 AD) was outraged due to the tampering with the Quran. Below is a reference from The Perfect Guide To The Sciences of the Quran (الإتقان في علوم القرآن) by Jalal-al-Din `Abd al-Rahman al-Suyuti, Sunni-Egyptian Imam, scholar and historian (849-911 AH / 1445-1505 AD):

The full book is available on the web here (PDF). See page 130 to locate the exact quote.

FACT 7. Islamic historians admit there was a major compromise with these two verses, in great contrast to the rest of the Quran. See below quote from THE HISTORY THE QURANIC TEXT by Mohammad Mustafa al-Azami, Saudi Arabian Hadith scholar:

Image Credits: Quran Talk Blog FACT 8. Nineteen years after the prophet's death, during Uthman's reign, a committe of scribes were appointed to make several copies of the Quran to be dispatched to new Muslim lands. The copies were to be made from the original Quran, left behind by Muhammed along with instructions with where to place each verse (it was in chronological order of revelation). The last sura revealed in Medina was Sura 9. Only Sura 110, a very short sura, was revealed after Sura 9, in Mina. During this compilation, one of the scribes suggested to add a couple of verses to honor the prophet - and the majority agreed. 'Ali was outraged, and this major conflict led to the following disastrous consequences: (1) `Uthman was assassinated, and `Ali was installed as the fourth Khalifa. (2) A 50-year war erupted between the new Khalifa and his supporters on one side, and the Mohammedan distorters of the Quran on the other side. (3) `Ali was martyred, and eventually his family, the prophet Muhammad's family, except for some women and children, were killed. (4) The disaster culminated in the infamous Battle of Karbala, where `Ali's son, Hussein, and his family were massacred. (5) The Muslims were deprived of the pure, unaltered, Quran for 1400 years. The distorters of the Quran finally won the war, and the "official" history that came to us represented the victors' point of view. This apparent victory for God's enemies was, of course, in accordance with God's will. In just two decades after the Prophet's death, the idol worshipers who were defeated by the Prophet in the conquest of Mecca (632 AD) reverted to idolatry. Ironically, this time around their idol was the Prophet himself. Such idol worshipers obviously did not deserve to possess the pure Quran. Hence the blessed martyrdom of the true believers who tried to restore the Quran, and the apparent victory for the distorters of God's word. The first peace time ruler after this lengthy and disastrous war was Marwan Ibn Al Hakam (died 65 AH/684 AD). One of the first duties he performed was to destroy the original Quran, the one that was so scrupulously written by the Prophet's own hand, "fearing it might become the cause of NEW disputes" [see `ULUM AL-QURAN, by Ahmad von Denffer, Islamic Foundation, Leicester, United Kingdom, 1983, Page 56.].

The question an intelligent person must ask is: "If the original Quran were identical to the Quran in circulation at that time, why did Marwan Ibn Al-Hakam have to destroy it?!" - Appendix 24



21 April: The test of alliance is something that all believers are bound to face (9:16). Below are some key points from Katerina's sermon.

[9:16] Did you think that you will be left alone without GOD distinguishing those among you who strive, and never ally themselves with GOD's enemies, or the enemies of His messenger, or the enemies of the believers? GOD is fully Cognizant of everything you do.

Quran tells us that we will all be tested whether we ally ourselves with God’s enemies or not (9:16). So how can we make sure that we pass that test without violating other commandments like not dismissing a believer (6:52)? In order for us to make an equitable judgement, we need to make sure we understand what makes someone an enemy of God.

From the Quran we learn that there are 3 categories of people: believers, disbelievers, and hypocrites (2:3-18). Quran also gives the detailed description of all these 3 categories of people during the times of prophet Muhammad. Let us take a close look at them: their beliefs, qualities, and actions.

1. The believers: they believed in God, in the prophet, in the Quran, and they were eager to strive in the cause of God, they readily obeyed God and His messenger- prophet Muhammad; they believed in God’s promise and steadfastly persevered during hardship (8:2-4; 9:88; 2:143; 9:71-72; 9:92;33:22-24; 9:112). God describes in detail their qualities, and we should be striving to be like them. However, not all believers had strong faith in the beginning. Verses 8:5-7 show that some believers had fear and lack of trust in God and even argued with the messenger. And God toughened the true believers by alternating days of defeat and victory (3:139-141).

2. God’s enemies: they openly disbelieved in God and His messenger and started fighting (9:13), persecuting believers and the prophet, oppressing them, evicting them from their homes (sura 60), and not allowing them to practice their religion freely (2:193). God refers to them in the Quran as disbelievers, idolworshippers or God’s enemies.

Note: there may also be neutral disbelievers who do not fight you because of religion (53:29)

3. The hypocrites: they claimed to be believers, but they never really believed in God and His messenger; it was just a lip service. Their true convictions were exposed through their actions and utterances. They refused to strive with the believers (go to the war with the prophet), they disobeyed the prophet, they didn’t believe (doubted) in God’s promise of victory for the believers, they could not comprehend God’s qualities that He is Omnipotent, He controls everything, therefore, they harboured unbefitting thoughts about God during hard times; and they feared people more than God. (9:42-49; 33:10-12; 63:7-8; 9:58-59; 3:154). God also describes them as people that did CP (Salat) lazily (4:142), gave to charity grudgingly or to show off and rarely thought of God, in other words, they did not realize that we observe religious duties as the means of growing our souls, becoming more righteous and getting closer to God.

Due to the fact that their belief in God was not genuine, they were never solid allies of believers, they were always in between believers and God’s enemies, their loyalty changed according to the situation( wherever they get more benefit); therefore, they did not have allegiance towards their believing community (4: 139; 9:56-57; 4:141-144; 48:15; 33:14; 33:19-20; 59:11-16). In fact, all they cared about was themselves, their own safety and benefit. For example, 33:14 says that, hypocrites would have joined the enemy without hesitation, if the enemy invaded and asked them to join in. And according to 4:141, they would readily ally themselves with whoever attained victory, no matter who they are: disbelievers or believers. This really shows that hypocrites didn’t really care about pleasing God and obeying His commandments; they didn’t value believers as their brethren in submission, thus they were ready to betray them and the prophet for their own benefit. The above actions of hypocrites expose their true priorities, which was Not to worship God, obviously, but rather achieve success in this worldly life.

NOTE: there is a good reason why God mentions weak believers in the quran. As we see, they might have similar traits with hypocrites, like fear of people or things, lack of trust in God. Possibly God doesn’t want us to give up on ourselves when we make mistakes and compare ourselves with hypocrites, or maybe God wants us to be careful in our judgement when we decide someone is a hypocrite. But certainly, believers (weak or strong) will never ally themselves with Enemies of God, they would not betray God, the messenger and other believers (3:28). And they, unlike hypocrites, will reflect on their mistakes and transgressions, ask God for guidance, repent, and reform. Hypocrites do not reflect on their actions and when reminded they don’t take heed (2:8). Thus, they continue to transgress without realizing it (35:8).

So from the description above, we see that hypocrites actually did what God prohibited for us in verse 9:16: they allied themselves with God’s enemies. We can get a better picture of who God is talking about in 9:16 (God’s Enemies) by reading the sura 9 from the beginning (especially verse 9:13). By reading sura 9 from the verse 1, we grasp the context and the events that are happening in these verses, thus, it’s easier to understand verses 9:16-18 and 9:23-24. For example, the events that are described in prior verses explain why MOC put the subtitle “if you have to make a choice” and a footnote for 9:23-24, because these verses are talking about relatives that are fighting/oppressing you because of religion (not just simply disbelieving) just like people that fought Muhammad and his followers. In addition, when we read carefully sura 60 from the beginning, which is titled “Test”, we see that God is giving us a further description of His Enemies ( they disbelieve in the truth and persecute believers and messengers; treat believers as enemies; hurt them with tongues or hands) , and God gives us an example of Abraham’s father in between verses about the war. And in 60:7-8, God is emphasizing the commandment of “whom not to befriend” and making it extra clear for us by using both negative and affirmative sentences “does not enjoin and enjoins only”.

Now that we have a clear picture of God’s enemies (they fight, oppose, oppress, persecute believers and messengers), it becomes obvious and reasonable why God is prohibiting us from befriending or allying with them, and commands us to disown them, and why someone who allied with them would be a hypocrite.

So before we call someone a hypocrite or enemy of God, it’s important to consider all the qualities and actions of them God describes for us in the Quran. It’s also important to look at the bigger picture, and not to take verses out of context. It’s important to understand that there is a difference between a weak believer, a hypocrite and enemy of God as described in Quran. If we don’t differentiate among these 3 categories of people, we will end up mislabelling unjustly believers as hypocrites. In the right time, God will expose the real hypocrites and His enemies to us.

Considering all the qualities of believers, hypocrites and enemies of God found in the Quran and reflecting on our current situation: disputes, divisions, and relations among submitters worldwide, - I find that there may have been some unjustified mislabelling of submitters due to misapplication of Quranic verses.



27 April: Submission Server hosts its first Night of Destiny to commemorate God throughout the night till sunrise.

navidfa: The Night of Destiny is the 27th night of Ramadan. It is the night the Quran was revealed. Chapter 97 deals with this night. We learn that this night is better than 1000 months. As Submitters, we take this opportunity to praise and worship God, commemorating Him throughout the night. This is the night where God sends the angels to carry out every command on Earth. God is the Hearer of our prayers.

[97:1] We revealed it in the Night of Destiny. [97:2] How awesome is the Night of Destiny! [97:3] The Night of Destiny is better than a thousand months. [97:4] The angels and the Spirit descend therein, by their Lord's leave, to carry out every command. [97:5] Peaceful it is until the advent of the dawn.

Mathematical Proof

The word "Al-Qadr" (القدر) or "Night of Destiny" occurs in 97:1, 2 and 3. It makes the 5th, 10th, and 12th word in the chapter.

5 + 10 + 12 = 27 (Night of Destiny is the 27th Night of Ramadan)

Surah number 97 + Gematrical value of Laylut al-Qadr [410] + verse numbers with "Al-Qadr" [1 + 2 + 3] = 513 (19x27)

Laylut al-Qadr is 9 Arabic letters that occurs 3 times 9x3 = 27

Also, the 27th word refers to Night of Destiny (it). Note there are 30 words in the chapter in total.



25 April: S19 shares some interesting facts, below are a few.

  • The double-N pattern (نن) occurs in 133 (19x7) verses. This matches the occurrences of the initial "NuN" (نون) in Sura 68.

  • The NuN pattern (نون) occurs in 228 (19x12) (or, 114x2) verses.

  • If we list all these verses down with both pattern types, and count the N's (ن) excluding (48:12, 6:109, 7:27 - which contain both pattern types), there are 2,698 (19x142) N's. This matches the total occurrences of "Allah" (الله) in the entire Quran. See video regarding NuN initial.

  • Total number of "W" (و) from the beginning of the Quran to the first occurrence of al-Mussaleen (المصلين) in 70:22, it is 24434. This represents the units of prayer in a day for all 5 prayers (and is a multiple of 19).



30 April: Importance of data & research

qlabs: Being in the digital age, I see a lot of value in having one public database containing key Quranic data. This is one major way to aid in furthering mathematical research within the Quran. Also, it invites the public to contribute and make the database grow with more beneficial information and general content. Users can access and download an initial version now on God willing updates will be made every month or so within the same file. Any major updates will be highlighted on the page.







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